Fans do better in line than online at Station

Published Monday July 21st, 2008
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SAINT JOHN - A screen displaying the words "service unavailable". An automated phone message stating all ticket agents are busy and directing callers to the website where the service was unavailable.

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Janice McCarthy, left, and Michelle Thompson show the stress of waiting two days at Harbour Station in Saint John for Elton John concert tickets.

It was a frustrating experience for people trying to get tickets Saturday for Elton John's concert at Harbour Station.

So what grounded online and phone ticket sales to the Rocket Man's Sept. 30 show in Saint John?

Harbour Station general manager Mike Caddell said a number of factors contributed to a slow day.

First off, Harbour Station's online ticketing system is outdated and came to a near standstill during the opening hours of sales. Two shows in Halifax at the Metro Centre and one at the Moncton Coliseum sold out in approximately one hour. Tickets at Harbour Station sold out after 10 hours.

The quick sellouts at John's two other Maritime venues worsened the delays when the box office opened in Saint John. Tickets to John's two shows in Halifax and one in Moncton went on sale and sold out before Harbour Station's box office opened Saturday at 10 a.m.

"We were the only venue left in Atlantic Canada with seats available, so all traffic was directed here," Caddell said.

The two Halifax shows at the Metro Centre sold out in just over an hour on Friday. The Moncton Coliseum opened its box office at 9 a.m. Saturday and were finished selling in less than an hour.

"It's our fastest-selling concert ever," said Shane Porter, co-ordinator of concert events at the Moncton Coliseum in a press release.

Since Saint John was the only city left with tickets, Harbour Station's website had 2.5-million hits within the first hour tickets were available. That volume crashed the site.

"It just became a bottleneck," Caddell said. "Everything was still working, but it just became a slow day.

"We had a number of individuals from Aliant and XWave working with us last week and on site (Saturday) and they've never seen anything like it."

Despite the technicians on hand, the arena's online system was too outdated to handle the big volumes that come with major events such as John's show.

While Moncton and Halifax have fairly new systems, Harbour Station is still using one from five years ago. Caddell said the arena runs a cable the size of a garden hose into the building to handle Internet traffic.

"We upgraded to the equivalent of a fire hose and still, with this traffic, it became bottle-necked or plugged," he said.

The Moncton Coliseum's system uses servers based in Toronto and was able to upgrade easily to handle larger volumes of traffic. The Metro Centre in Halifax has new technology for its Internet ticketing system that is about a year-and-a-half old.

"Unfortunately technology has passed us by," Harbour Station's Caddell said. "We're certainly thinking of upgrades "¦ we will be doing something with our system in the near future."

Niki Smith was one of those people trying to get tickets online. She was at her computer at 8 a.m. on Saturday waiting for sales to start. She called the experience frustrating.

"I tried from 10 a.m. right on through," Smith said.

In between attempts on the website, she called the box office, but couldn't get tickets. Eventually a friend called and said she got tickets at the arena at 2:30 p.m.

"She said the line was dying down and there were still tons of tickets left," Smith said. "I went and waited in line for a couple hours and got tickets.

"I was surprised, but obviously if the website had been running it wouldn't have happened."

Several people had the same idea. Floor tickets to the concert were still available at 7:30 p.m. on Saturday at the box office window.

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The very least that Harbour Station could have done was to put up a message on their website and on the phone stating that these systems weren't available and you could get tickets at Harbour Station. Instead all you got was the phone message stating that you could get tickets online and the online system stating that it was too busy.

I hope for any future events tha they update their systems.

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Amy W., Saint John on 21/07/08 07:37:41 AM ADT
The Moncton concert did not sell out in less than hour. It sold out in 82 minutes. At 10:22, the lineup at the Moncton Coliseum turned around around and went home after being told that the very last ticket had been sold.
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Brian Cormier, Moncton on 21/07/08 07:46:57 AM ADT
There is no excuse for what happened. Harbour Station claims that the reason for the volume was that Saint John was the only venue left with tickets. This is blatant "spin". Harbour Station was not ready, they made no attempt to make it easier to purchase tickets, did not update their phone message indicating that the site was down, and answered very few phone calls. It was a well known fact that the website is inadequate and poorly designed. It was even on the news 2 days before that Harbour Station was not ready for the volume and everything woyld crash.
If Harbour Station wants to position itself as a first class entertainment centre, they had better get their act together.
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D A, Saint John on 21/07/08 08:35:40 AM ADT
If you want to voice your displeasure, email the Elton John fan club at
customerservice@website.eltonjohn.com.

They won't know the incompetence shown here unless Elton John fans tell them about it.

Thanks.
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Me You, Saint John on 21/07/08 09:02:26 AM ADT
I would like to know how an on-line scalping company had 80 plus tickets to the Moncton show, less than an hour after they went on sale. Oh and this company is located in the southern USA.
We are competing with North America not just our neighbor when it comes to on-line purchasing
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Bob L, moncton on 21/07/08 09:12:10 AM ADT
So that's the excuse for the website, what's the excuse for the phone lines?
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Anonymous Anonymous, Fredericton on 21/07/08 09:40:44 AM ADT

Another side effect of this is that all everyone will see is that Moncton and Halifax can sell out in an hour but Saint John takes 10 times as long to sellout...
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Anonymous Reader, Saint John on 21/07/08 10:04:06 AM ADT
Sounds like Harbour Station needs an upgrade to their online ticketing, but glad to see those that stood in line actually saw rewards. Online ticketing has made it too easy for casual fans (& scalpers via automated programs) to get tickets for high demand events. I remember in the old days grinding it out on the phone for hours to get Pink Floyd, Grateful Dead or Pearl Jam tickets in the United States (wishing I could be in line in the US city).

Now tickets are gobbled up instantly by computers and often fans in line are shut out. A Ticketmaster event in the US can be sold out in minutes (often to online scalpers).

I'm sure the reverse story of this one can be written in Moncton by fans who waited in line only to get shut out & go home ticketless.
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Craig Allen, Saint John on 21/07/08 12:33:24 PM ADT
Yes, Mr. Caddell, it is time for some serious upgrading because the system here at Harbour Station is a major joke! Forget the excuses; were you not the same Mike Caddell who assured the public here in the Saint John area, after the problems with the system regarding Carrie Underwood tickets, that the set for Elton John sales was "ready"?
And, silly me, I listened to you. I could have gladly gone in line to get tickets but have done so in many instances and ended up with no tickets. I was angry then but that was the chance I took. If I would have trusted my instincts and thought "well yes, maybe their online and phone ticket systems will be grossly inadequate" I would have gone in on Saturday morning at 6:00 A.M. or so and gotten good tickets.
What a sad state of affairs at the Station. I know I will not trust you in the future. I've heard rumours that Elton may play another concert on a free night. Hope it's elsewhere where they can handle ticket sales better!
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Anonymous Reader on 21/07/08 01:02:58 PM ADT
Taxpayers should re-consider funding Mike Cadell's annual junkets to far away exotic conventions. He needs to find the money in his budget now and upgrade the system to prevent further embarassments.
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Media Hack, Saint John on 21/07/08 01:45:59 PM ADT
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